WE now know what shipping needs to do by 2050. We have a pretty good idea of what 2040 and even 2030 looks like on paper. But after the big political showdown in the International Maritime Organization earlier this month, we’re now looking at the difficult detail of what follows.

This is something of a recurring theme for the Lloyd’s List podcast, so as regular listeners will well understand we’re not talking about a shipping issue here — we’re talking about a global energy transition.

Working out where shipping fits into that is not just a case of setting targets and sending demand signal and creating policy. It requires a more holistic approach that considers the entire energy value chain. It’s about scaling up low carbon fuel production, but that doesn’t work if you can’t integrate the ports, the logistics and of course the shipping and get both public and private sector in.

Which is why energy ministers converged on the India beach resort of Goa this week to discuss how they can scale up low-carbon fuel production.

Among those sheltering from the monsoon rain were a crack squadron of shipping industry leaders helping to ensure that the maritime element was not just in the mix, but, in many ways, leading the conversation.

Joining the podcast this week to report live from within the Clean Energy Ministerial meeting this week, we have:

• Patrick Verhoeven, managing director, The International Association of Ports and Harbours

• Professor Lynn Loo, chief executive officer, Global Centre for Maritime Decarbonisation

• Bud Darr, executive vice-president maritime policy and government affairs, MSC Group

• Stuart Neil, director of strategy and communications, International Chamber of Shipping